MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 12, 2000 IAB BIZ MEETING

PRESENT:
Ran Atkinson
Rob Austein
Harald Alvestrand
Fred Baker (IETF Chair)
Steve Bellovin
Randy Bush (IESG liaison)
Brian Carpenter
Jon Crowcroft
Leslie Daigle
Steve Deering
Tony Hain
Geoff Huston
John Klensin (IAB Chair)
Joyce Reynolds (RFC Editor liaison)
Henning Schulzrinne
Abel Weinrib (IAB Executive Director)

NEXT MEETING:
Tuesday January 9 (2001), 1500-1700 US East Coast time.

NEW ACTION ITEMS:
* Steve Deering: Explore the architectural implications of IESG thinking
behind "volume" area (joint with key IESG members). Share insights with
rest of IAB.

OLD ACTION ITEMS:
* John Klensin: Create small task team to consider how IETF policies and
procedures might be changed to overcome perception and reality of being
slow.
        = Ongoing.
* Brian Carpenter: Arrange "middle boxes" IAB workshop.
        = Ongoing. See below.
* Harald Alvestrand: Arrange "International Internet" IAB workshop. Fred
Baker, Randy Bush, John Klensin... site committee.
        = Ongoing. See below.
* Henning Schulzrinne: Telephony Services PSTN interworking draft as an IAB
document.
        = Ongoing.
* Rob Austein and Brian Carpenter: Review and potentially update RFC 1958.
        = Ongoing.

IAB DRAFTS IN PROGRESS:
* Geoff Huston: QOS
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-qos-01.txt
        = Published RFC 2990.
* Ran Atkinson: Security considerations, including common security attacks.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rescorla-sec-cons-01.txt
        = Ongoing. Will go to IESG for review in January.
* Harald Alvestrand: Directory definitions.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-alvestrand-directory-defs-00.txt
        = Ongoing. New draft sent to list.
* Tony Hain: NAT/VPN
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-nat-implications-07.txt
        = Published RFC 2993.
* Steve Bellovin: Applicability statement for security building blocks.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iab-secmech-01.txt
        = Ongoing.
* Brian Carpenter: Wireless workshop report.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-wirelessws-00.txt
        = Published RFC 3002.

1. review actions
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see above
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2. review drafts in progress
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see above
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3. administrivia
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New meeting time: second Tuesday of the month, 3-5 PM US East Coast time.
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4. Bernstein appeal
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Consensus achieved on wording of initial response.
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5. IAB administration, secretariat, and Exec Dir
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One long-term possibility is that the IETF secretariat takes on this role.
Still looking for near-term solution.
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6. PSO-PC membership and nominations
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Nomcomm is willing to fill the PC seats, but not until after IAB and IESG
nominations are settled.
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7. 3GPP liaison
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Working with 3GPP appears to be an opportunity for us to do architecture in
advance, rather than have to clean up messes after the fact.

Internet draft has been posted outlining liaison between IETF and 3GPP.
Time is short--review right away.
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8. Internationalization workshop
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Preliminary small-group meeting in New York resulted in several drafts.
Will target a workshop between Spring and Summer IETF meetings.
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9. Middle-box workshop
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Preference to leave on hold until after Spring IETF. Instead, hold a
well-prepared BOF at next IETF.
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10. New "volume" area -- sub-IP layers
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Short version of what IESG is motivated by and trying to accomplish: 134
MPLS drafts, without any overall structure. Goal is to develop taxonomy in
CCAM to define bins (e.g., restoration, talking to routing, measurement)
for which broadly-applicable solutions may be developed.

Some sound bites from discussion:
"At the very top level, the IETF is about making the Internet work.
Controlling the sub-IP layers piecemeal has caused a nightmare; trying to
do this in a coherent way is a good thing."
"We have a dozen tunneling protocols. With hindsight, once upon a time
someone should have defined a tunnel framework that could be customized in
various ways."
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11. Discussion/ plan for Wednesday presentations
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     + RFC Editor Report
     + ITU
     + Highlights of recent IAB activities and documents--John Klensin
     + QOS--Geoff Huston
     + Firewalls--invite Ned Freed
     + NAT--Tony Hain
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12. Review/ discussion of IETF processes
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Almost 10 years since the IETF has seriously examined the way it operates.
Issues identified by Brian:
        we are too slow
        we lack focus
        the IESG is too picky
        the IESG is opaque
        herding cats
        the disconnect from the operators
        money
        IAB and IESG spend too much time on political sludge
        IAB doesn't do enough architecture

Brian will circulate a note with a view to taking the discussion to 
POISSON in due course.
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13.  Technical Discussion
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Review of current technical issues and hot topics -- impact of 
wireless/IP convergence on applications and routing, BGP/routing 
crisis, middleboxes.
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Future Meetings
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Regular teleconference second Tuesday of the month 1500-1700 US East Coast
time.
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These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib, weinrib@intel.com.  An online
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