Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:42:18 -0700 From: Abel Weinrib Subject: Minutes for March 31 IAB Biz. meeting ============ MINUTES FOR MARCH 31, 1998 IAB BUSINESS MEETING PRESENT: Fred Baker Steve Bellovin Brian Carpenter Jon Crowcroft Steve Deering Robert Elz Ned Freed Tony Hain Don Heath Tim Howes Erik Huizer Cyndi Jung John Klensin Keith Moore Robert Moskowitz Charlie Perkins Radia Perlman Jon Postel Abel Weinrib NEXT MEETING: Teleconference Tuesday May 12, 10-12 Eastern Time. NEW ACTION ITEMS: Charlie Perkins and Bob Moskowitz: Draft document on tunnelling issues, architectures, etc. Send to IAB list. Keith Moore and Charlie Perkins : Draft document on "finding stuff" issues, architectures, etc. Send to IAB list. OLD ACTION ITEMS: * Brian Carpenter: Send note to IETF list outlining IAB role and response re. green paper issues. * Jon Postel (IANA): Build consensus on how to assign IPv6 addresses--get the registries to do something or perhaps form a BOF on the issue. * Tony Hain: Put together a crisp problem statement for the NAT/VPN/IPv6 problem. DRAFTS IN PROGRESS: * Charlie Perkins, Radia Perlman, Sue Hares: Routing workshop report. * Brian Carpenter and Erik Huizer: IAB charter (updated RFC 1601). * Radia Perlman: What should be in protocols. * Steve Bellovin: Security workshop report. * Charlie Perkins: Technical value of IPv6. Review actions ------------------------------- * Brian Carpenter: Send note to IETF list outlining IAB role and response re. green paper issues.--done * Jon Postel (IANA): Build consensus on how to assign IPv6 addresses--get the registries to do something or perhaps form a BOF on the issue.--Postel and Hinden had a meeting with representatives of the registries to discuss draft proposal. It will be published as an Internet Draft; the registries will take it to their members for comment. Finally, will probably be published as an informational RFC documenting the agreement among the registries. * Tony Hain: Put together a crisp problem statement for the NAT/VPN/IPv6 problem.--done =============================== Review drafts in progress ------------------------------- * Brian Carpenter and Erik Huizer: IAB charter (updated RFC 1601).--on hold * Radia Perlman: What should be in protocols.--suffering from lack of interest on mailing list. Radia will post to IETF list with a pointer to discussion list. * Steve Bellovin: Security workshop report.--with RFC editor, waiting for IPSEC documents to clear. * Charlie Perkins: Technical value of IPv6.--draft published; shorten; informally ask IPng list for comments on accuracy Welcome/introduction for new members (Brian) ------------------------------- Welcome to Ned Freed and Tim Howes. Fond farewells to Radia Perlman and Robert Elz. =============================== Review of routing workshop (Radia/Steve D) ------------------------------- After the workshop, there was one rather vociferous complaint regarding the closed nature of the invitation-only workshop. However, limited attendance by a set of experts is both the only way to hold a valuable workshop, and is entirely within the IAB charter, RFC 1601. Remember, neither the IAB nor IAB workshops set standards. Radia and Steve previewed their overview of the workshop for Friday's IAB open plenary. See the notes and presentation slides from the plenary. Thanks to Steve Deering and Radia Perlman for setting up the workshop, to Cyndi Jung for taking care of local arrangements, and to Charlie Perkins and Sue Hares for taking detailed minutes! =============================== Round table to list IAB work items for 1998/99 ------------------------------- what do we need for routing in five years... how do we get there million-entry router table entries (or achieving the same effect) QOS multicast routing multicast key management rationalization of RAP, RTFM, etc.--working on similar problems, but unaware of each other finding stuff (which to use: dhcp, multicast, ldap, etc.) roadmap for all the ways you can find things naming things, URI directory services indexing and searching tunneling VPN tunnels: naming, addressing, routing NAT firewalls--make them part of the architecture applicability statements for the security building blocks we have--a living document security: actually making applications secure object security authorization and access control framework policy beyond RAP network management in heterogeneous environments; paradigms beyond SNMP; DEN; network applications management--more than just instrumentation IPv6 in-home and to-the-home root server architectures; is there any way to flatten the hierarchy document things that are commonly done wrong (implementation and configuration) new transport protocol These items will be clarified and prioritized by email discussion going forward. =============================== Report from POC appointees Rob Austein and Patrik Faltstrom ------------------------------- Things were going fairly smoothly until December, when the US Federal Government got involved. Green paper comment period just closed. Unclear what will happen next. POC has been doing very little technical work. Question from the IAB: Should the IETF take on specifying a protocol for interactions between registrars and registries? Yes, this would be a useful thing to do now. All existing proposals on the table require this functionality. Protocols for maintaining consistent copies of a registry would also be interesting. Question from appointees: Does the IAB want to relinquish the voting rights of its appointees to the POC when the POC changes its constitution? The POC appointees pointed out that everything is done by consensus anyway, and this would be a politically good thing to do. The IAB's proper role is to make sure that reasonable technical solutions are pursued--voting rights appear irrelevant to executing this role. Issue is when should this be done, and should this be unilateral or conditional on everyone else giving up their vote? The IAB in general felt that the voting rights of its appointees is not that important--we want to advise, not vote. However, we do not want this to be taken as a repudiation of the POC. A decision on this will be taken when the revised constitution of the POC is decided. =============================== Whither NAT? (Tony) ------------------------------- Tony reported on the NAT working group meeting today. The working group is focused on making NATs as good as possible. The IAB needs to focus on the areas where NATs impact the architecture of the Internet. We need to document the long-term consequences of NATs, so that people don't erroneously conclude that NATs preclude the need for IPv6. More broadly, as with firewalls, perhaps we should also explore ways that applications and NATs can work together better. =============================== Straw poll on 1998/99 IAB Chair (conducted by Abel) ------------------------------- Brian Carpenter agreed to continue to serve as chair; his offer was met with enthusiasm. =============================== Future Meetings ------------------------------- Regular teleconference second Tuesday of the month at 10:00 AM Eastern Time. =============================== =============================== These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib, weinrib@intel.com. An online copy of these and other minutes are available at ftp://ftp.isi.edu:pub/IAB. Also, visit the IAB Web page at http://www.iab.org/iab. []